Let's Talk UNLV

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Dr. Sammie Scales 0:20
Hello, UNLV. Welcome to another public radio episode of Let's Talk UNLV on K UNV 91.5 I'm Dr scales, your host today, and I have a very, very special guest with me today. I will let her introduce herself to you. And I'm sure plenty of you know who she is. Please introduce yourself. Hey,

Monesia Hobbs 0:38
it's me. Monisha Hobbs, everyone knows me. ESMO on campus, yeah, I'm here at UNLV. I officially am co chair for the African heritage affinity graduation celebration. I'm also an academic coaching coordinator at the Center for Academic Enrichment and Outreach, a grant program that's been on campus for since the 70s. Wow. 1978 I believe, is when they started the first program. Here we all have the largest suite of grants in the country, so we kind of the blueprint for a lot of the grant funded programs before that. I'm not from Vegas, so I came from Long Beach,

Dr. Sammie Scales 1:15
California, Long Beach. I was in Long Beach two weeks ago. Oh, nice.

Monesia Hobbs 1:19
I was that last week from Long Beach got my Bachelor's in Public Relations at Cal State. Long Beach got my Master's in Communication Management at USC. I'm currently getting my executive MBA here at UNLV. Spent a lot of time in hospitality and event planning. I'm a gospel baby. I'm a Hawkins baby. So did a lot of music and arts conferences all through my 20s and teens. And then I worked with musicians, touring with musicians all over the world, and planning shows in LA then I came to Vegas in 2021 for a long distance relationship, and started at Nobu hotel when I got here, working hospitality again. And then a year later, got here at UNLV, and been digging in ever since, no, so you've been here, what three, three or four years. Officially, UNLV, I've been here two and a half years, two and a half years. Oh,

Dr. Sammie Scales 2:07
okay, wow. I didn't know that. I thought you had been here. I thought you came with the first break. Oh

Monesia Hobbs 2:14
no, sir. I just, I found that since I was new to the city, it was a good way for me to really dive in, was to just insert myself in all sorts of things. So I started volunteering, like with graduation and with different events, MSI Summit, and then got really involved with the school being in MSI, and kind of telling people about that, especially because we have the NPC program in our department, so kind of explaining to the students and parents and doing orientations and working with different departments, so everywhere, that's excellent.

Dr. Sammie Scales 2:44
You know, that's the same route that I took. You know, this past January was one year for me. So very much. We're in March now, so I've been here 1414, months, and that's one of the routes that I took, was to get involved with different things happening on campus. That way, I got to meet Duffing. I met you through one of those events. So I've gotten to meet different people at different events, like Dr Constance Brooks, Dr Hudson So Candice. I mean, it's just so many people that I've gotten to meet through volunteering here on campus and being at different programs. And it's been excellent. So today we're going to be talking about the African heritage recognition celebration. So what does that actually mean? So some people

Monesia Hobbs 3:25
may know it in other schools, it as the quote, unquote black graduation as we know. UNLV is a minority serving institution. We have a large percentage of underrepresented populations here, and so to kind of create a feeling of inclusiveness and community, we have a number of affinity graduations to celebrate student cultures and their achievements through it. So I happen to be the one that makes sure that we celebrate our students who have African heritage. So that includes our African American students, our African students, our international students, and anyone who identifies as as having African heritage, and make sure that they feel supported and, you know, celebrated for this great achievement. Yeah, excellent,

Dr. Sammie Scales 4:05
excellent. And I can definitely remember, um, attending these events at my institution when I was a student at San Diego State for my for my bachelor's degree, then for my master's degree, and then for my doctorate as well. So I made sure that I attended that particular graduation, and actually, outside of during my undergrad and master's program, the only graduation that I attended was black graduation. That's the only one that I was interested in attending. That's the one that represented me. That's the one that well, you know, my things that represented my culture was at the forefront, like the drumming of the African drum, the dance. It represented me, and it made me feel connected. It made me feel like I belong there. So I absolutely loved it. Now, I did walk in the ceremony at Claremont Graduate University because I was in a joint doctoral program with San Diego State and Claremont Graduate University. So I did walk in Claremont for my doctorate because I had a family member that came to see that. But I also walked in black grad but. The Black grad graduation meant so much to me, because when I looked at the audience, I could see myself in that audience and the sense of accomplishment and the feeling of we did this. And I never say that I did it, because I had so many people that was behind me and doing this, and I'm sure our students feel the same. There was tons of churches in San Diego that gave me scholarships to help me pay for school. So that's why I use the term we. We did this because they had a part in this, you know. I remember one of the pastors at my old church actually being one of the first people that I interviewed to get one of my papers done. So it was, it just meant so much to me that we did this together, you know. So let's move on in this. So how does this event differ from the traditional university ceremony?

Monesia Hobbs 5:45
So you you kind of touched on it a little bit. It's, it's cultural, you know, we are celebrating us and doing things that you're familiar with. You know, there's elements of the black church, there's elements of African drumming, there's elements of just the cultural things that I that we identify as, that we can speak to. Maybe there's some inside jokes that we're telling across, you know, the stage that only we would get, yeah, you know, there's some references, some videos that you know you're going to be able to nudge your neighbor and be like, ah, you know, like, you know, we talked about this morning, a different song that we could play, that you would never hear at the commencement, absolutely, absolutely traditional commencement. So, yeah, it's just really, you know, it's us speaking to us and celebrating the things that you know you may have had in your household, your aunties, your grandmas would talk about, you know, we talked about the importance of actually getting your college degree, and so being able to say you did it. We celebrate you. We want to know that. We want you to know that we celebrate you as your own and continue to lift you up. We want to make sure we're wrapping our arms around these students. Yeah,

Dr. Sammie Scales 6:45
absolutely, you know, there you said something that I was key that definitely struck over with me when you said there are certain things that could be said that only the people of that group would get. You know this past I mentioned to you earlier that to begin two weekends ago, I was in Long Beach for a convention with my fraternity. So when I stood before the mic, because I'm on the leadership team there, I stood before the mic to address the men in the room, all of my fraternity brothers, and I said, Good morning, brothers. And no one really kind of said anything. I said, Okay, this is how we're going to do it. I said, Okay, ushers lock the doors, and the room exploded, because we understand what that means. So yeah, it's definitely different. So why is it important to have a separate celebration honoring black grads, which is a question I've kind of asked before already. So So why is that celebration so important? Because

Monesia Hobbs 7:31
you can, for students, you can get sucked up, especially in a school like UNLV that has 33,000 students, a few 100, up close to 1000 that are graduating during a traditional commencement ceremony, you can kind of get lost in the sauce, you know, you you get just short moment of shine, whether you cross the stage, maybe depending on the school. And you know it's not you may hear your family scream in the background, but it's not focused on you. It's like the entire school together. So for like this our event here, we take a little more time, you know, we may read off the students degree. We may make sure that they are honored, and can take pictures on stage. And can, you know, see their family and wave at them. There's going to be events like, you know, some time afterwards to kind of connect with each other, dance together, take more photos, you know, just really celebrate them. So it's more like a small party outside of the larger commencement ceremony. While there's still some definitely, definite traditional parts of it, it's like it's it's a real celebration, more than like the traditional, strict commencement, yeah,

Dr. Sammie Scales 8:33
and especially after spending, you know, anywhere from 50 to $100,000 in that in that time, you want to take your time to walk across the stage, to be recognized, to be seen, so that your family can take those photos. You know. It reminds me of the struggle, like, what struggle did it take to get here? You know? And I can't help but think of Dr Langston with asking that question, what was the struggle like to actually start this graduation? Because I'm sure from the beginning of time when this school opened there wasn't a black grad. So always think about Dr Langston in certain times. So this is the time that I'm thinking about her. So what do you think some of the struggles were to get this started? Well,

Monesia Hobbs 9:10
I know originally, it was not a graduation celebrant. It was they could only honor, you know, they wanted to recognize GPAs. They wanted to recognize our students that were achieving and having high GPA. So that was the focus first. So if you look at the history there, it's the they were celebrating the 38th award ceremony, but the 25th graduation ceremony, so there was not a graduation at first, they could only do the honoring through, like just an awards ceremony and being able to honor students who were achieving, not necessarily graduating. And so it was a number of years before they were able to actually get approved to have a separate like graduation celebration ceremony. And so they, you know, that's why we want to, you know, we try to maintain that legacy in still honoring those students who are achieving and doing well in the undergrad and then make sure that they get to the point of graduation. And then celebrate them there too. So, yeah, it was, it wasn't always from the beginning there.

Dr. Sammie Scales 10:04
So, so in the years that we've been actually having the graduations, from the time that it started up until what next month, when it comes around again, has anything been added to this program that work was not there in the beginning? So there's

Monesia Hobbs 10:18
been a few things that have shifted and actually come kind of back and forth. So, you know, having like the president speaking, and the like the university president coming to speak, and certain officials there, having the elected officials showing up, who were, you know, maybe they were outside of our community. They didn't always show up. It wasn't as large as it is now at our this particular celebration is the largest affinity graduation on campus, celebration on campus. So it kind of set the blueprint for some of the other ceremonies that are happening now. As far as, like, you know, the stoles that we have so for a long time, they came straight from Africa, and so dr Langston was really instrumental in having that connection, and making sure there was a connection with the mainland, and bringing those stoves over that were actually, you know, handmade by people in Africa. And so she though that was something that she was able to include in the ceremony, and making sure that, you know, they really feel that representation. Wow. I

Dr. Sammie Scales 11:13
do not know that. Wow. That's very good to know. So what kind of feedback have you received from families and students who attend the celebration. Oh, they

Monesia Hobbs 11:21
look so forward to like they know this is the celebration. It has garnered like a reputation in the city and in the community where families are looking forward to this. You know, they're flying in. They know they're going to be there for the traditional commencement ceremony, but they're really looking forward to this opportunity to get together. They bring their aunties and their grandmothers. You know, you see the babies come in. They come as a full family, you know, because they know that their student is going to be recognized at this event, and they won't get swallowed up in the larger commencement operations. Yeah, and that's

Dr. Sammie Scales 11:51
always good, you know, making sure that you get that recognition. And in some cases, you know, families, you know, as a whole, being recognized for what students have done. I was going to ask you, oh yeah, definitely gonna be food, yes. So tell us about that. Tell us about this year.

Monesia Hobbs 12:06
We're doing a little bit different. But in the past, yeah, we would basically, after the event, they would feed the entire whoever was attending. And so that meant, you know, even if the workers, you know, in the in the who were cleaning up, the janitor, certain people of the community, everyone was able to eat. It was like a family a giant family dinner that happened following the ceremony. This year, we're going to be actually doing it during the ceremony, so it'll be more of a sit down dinner type situation, where we're still feeding everyone, but having that, that same large family dinner style celebration. Wow.

Dr. Sammie Scales 12:36
And I don't think we've mentioned the actual date of this event. Can you give us the dates? Because I think there's one time for the award, a date for the awards, and it's a date for graduation. Yes, could you give us those dates?

Monesia Hobbs 12:45
So the awards will be happening on March. I mean, sorry, may 14, at 3pm It's going to be a awards reception, and that's going to include, include some campus resources as well, so that those students can maintain that GPA and fill and continue to get the support that they need to make sure they make it to the graduation. And what location is that that's going to be the Student Union, the ballroom, okay? And then on May 16 is going to be the recognition celebration, also known as the Black graduation, and that's at 7pm in strip view pavilion, which is connected to Thomas and Matt. Oh, Thomas and Matt, so following, you know, the post baccalaureate graduation happens at four o'clock at Thomas and Mack just after that will be our celebration at seven. Okay,

Dr. Sammie Scales 13:24
sounds good. Can you tell us about the significance of the Roosevelt Fitzgerald outstanding student award and its namesake? Yes. So

Monesia Hobbs 13:32
professor Fitzgerald, also known as Fitz he was the chair of the anthropology department here and the director of Ethnic Studies. He received his master's degree from Notre Dame. So he often would talk about being like a black student in an Ivy League school. And so he was very much known for his research and writing books on the black experience in Vegas. When he arrived here, he also wrote a column in the Sentinel voice newspaper every week that everyone would follow as well. And so he just had a very he was very much tied into student success and academics and making sure that people understood the importance of academic pursuits. And so this award honors that student that is really high achieving and has been doing really well in their academics. And we want to award them for their achievements and their leadership. Wow,

Dr. Sammie Scales 14:21
that's excellent. So even at graduation, students are still getting scholarships,

getting awards, yes, what qualities

or achievements typically stand out in nominees for the Thomas Wilson Community Service Award. So Thomas

Monesia Hobbs 14:35
Wilson, he was a, of course, black man who was born in 1927 he was came here. It was the first African American professor at UNL and so 1969 the College of Education, and he specialized in multicultural education. And so you can see that that's a really big piece of what he was doing. But he also used the community and community. Serviced as teaching moments to connect with their students, with the community. And so for his award, we honor those students who have found that connection between community and education, and they have placed themselves in positions to be able to have community impact, as well as high achieving educational pursuits. Wow,

Dr. Sammie Scales 15:17
that is excellent. I'm so glad I'm doing this podcast, because I'm actually learning while doing this podcast, you know. And speaking of the Thomas Wilson Community Service Award and the accolades that you just read about him, it reminds me of one person here on campus, and that's Miss clay T White. I'm sure at some point there's going to be an award with her name on, because she's so instrumental, absolutely. And just in general, just in general, she's just super nice person. From day one, when I met her, it's been nothing but love from her, from her, you know, being serving as a mentor, always willing to show me different things when I go to the library looking for certain information, being the tour guide on the west side bus tour every February. So she's been an excellent, excellent resource here on campus for me. So how does these award reinforce the values of leadership and community engagement with students here on campus? Well, I

Monesia Hobbs 16:06
think, you know, we've kind of been going back to a lot of just the recognition and a lot of the times students need to know that they're not doing things in vain. You know, sometimes it's like, Oh, you shouldn't be doing it for the applause, but sometimes it's okay to give people applause, like people really work hard. So if these students know that, you know they're doing these things. They're trying to set themselves up for a positive future. They're trying to check all the boxes that people say. These are the things you need to do to be successful. It's okay for us to stop and say, Hey, we see you, and we acknowledge that you're doing it. We are proud of you, and we want you to be motivated to keep going. And so this is just a little bit of a piece for us to show them. We're proud of you. Here we are to support you. Let's keep pushing you forward. And if you need anything, come and ask us. And so it's just another way to wrap our arms around them

Dr. Sammie Scales 16:48
that is excellent. You know, it's always important to have you know someone that you can that you can lean on, and also someone that's very positive and motivated in your life. I remember a lot of times at my last institution, at my during my undergrad years, I'll be in the library writing papers and just really, just tired and thinking, why am I doing this? And one of my mentors to come walking by and stop and take a moment to sit next to me, just to have a conversation. And sometimes it's nothing to do with education. It's just how you doing? How's your mental health? Sometimes it would be, how's your son? What is he doing? What kind of sport? So just those little things like that. It's always important for students to have people that like that in their lives, and especially on this particular campus in general, seeing someone like yourself standing before the classroom, being the professor or someone like you when you walk into counseling or whatever area you're walking in, so important representations mean so very much. So much. Yeah, and always make sure that students know when they see me on campus to stop talk to me, because I try to make myself, you know, an open book. When they want to talk, I want to talk there's like, yesterday, I took a few minutes to shoot basketball with one of the students that was over there by South complex, so, and he was like, Oh, I didn't know you play. I was like, What do you think? Yeah, so, so just making those small connections with students actually means a lot to the students. You know, it doesn't always have to be about, you know, what do you what's your GPA, what's your grade, but just letting them know you're human. Also, I've been in that situation where I've been a student, so it's just so important to me to just let these students know, you know, we're here for them, and whatever they need, they can come to us. So let's move on down here. How does celebrating, celebrated African heritage recognition in black, in black, excellence in academia, influence students sense of identity and belonging on campus, I'm trying to be careful with the words that I'm using, making sure I'm using African heritage recognition. So

Monesia Hobbs 18:39
you're fine. I like, I get it. Like you mentioned, it's a small population here on campus. Like, in the grand scheme of things, I believe we're at like, 12% on campus as a black community. And so it's important that we, you know, face everything that we are. We need to see each other in academic success like so when, like, when you said you're stopping to talk to students like I look at that like we have to speak to each other. They have to know that we're here. I say hello when I pass by like them, knowing that there are doctors who look like them, that there are, you know, professors that look like them, that this is, you know, this is not just a place that they're they can't feel like they belong. They have to be able to see, okay. I didn't even really know that I could achieve that, but I see they did it, so now I feel a little more confident. I didn't even know that job existed. So, oh, but so and so is doing it. Oh, okay, I guess I can do that. Let me look into it more. Let me start researching more. This is a place where we're supposed to continue to learn and read and do research and figure out things and find that space. I always tell my students, like, take this time to really figure out what you're trying to do. Like, it doesn't have to be what your parents want you to do. It doesn't have to be what you thought was going to make you successful. Like, figure out what's really in your heart. Connect with somebody who's doing that thing. And if it's someone who looks like you, they're more apt to be able to say, hey, you know, I need a little help with this. And hopefully that breaks down that barrier and they can see that. It can come to us? Yeah,

Dr. Sammie Scales 20:00
absolutely, you know. And it's never too late, you know. I was an older student in my undergrad program, so I wasn't 1819, or 20 years old, in my early 40s, when I went back and decided that, you know what, it's an education that's important. And the real thing, MO That got me to go back was, I remember sitting at home, it was a Friday evening, and my son wanted to go hang out with his friends, and I was talking to him about the importance of college. He let me sit there and talk for about 20 minutes about the importance of college, and in the very end, he said, It can't be that important because you didn't go. And so that changed my entire life. Here's a sixth grade kid telling me this. So yeah, I went back and do what I need to do. And of course, you know, my son, once he graduated high school, went on off to college, got a bachelor's and a master's degree as well. But that sense of belonging, man, it's definitely important, and we need to make sure that these students recognize and know that we are there for them. We've been in there before. So yeah, I'm

Monesia Hobbs 20:58
always willing like to share my stories like it's not a linear journey. There's going to be peaks and valleys, and they need to know that, that, you know, it may not always look like you thought it was going to look but it doesn't mean it's not right. Yeah, it's still your path. Yeah, absolutely,

Dr. Sammie Scales 21:11
you know. And I tell students also, especially when I was a professor back in San Diego, if I can do it, being an African American kid from Mississippi, if I can do it, you can absolutely do it also. There's, there's no there's no secret to it. You just get up, you go to class, you pass your classes, you stress out over writing papers like I did, and at some point you'll get it done. So yeah, if I can do it, you can do it as well. So what challenges do black students often face on their path to graduation? And how do events like this help uplift them? Well,

Monesia Hobbs 21:43
you know, one of the things I think that we maybe not talk about enough is sometimes there's microaggressions in the classroom. You know, there's microaggressions on campus. There's people that you know, this is not HBCU. So there are a variety of different cultures here you have people who have professors who've been on campus for 3040, years, who may not have necessarily changed with the times exactly the way that they

Dr. Sammie Scales 22:04
need. Oh yeah, I've seen that. So

Monesia Hobbs 22:08
you know that you have students that are maybe in class sometimes and they're like, I can't believe he just said that, or I can't believe that professor just said that. I can't like me, and the student had to get into this argument because of something their parents think. So first there's the dealing with that. And then, just on, like, a personal level, it could be financial a lot of the times, like, we're a commuter school, you know, we're a commuter school in a city that, you know, the school district is a little bit challenging, and so sometimes they get here and they're not necessarily ready. And so making sure that we can identify those students that don't need to, that need a little extra help that need a little, you know, that needs more tutoring, that maybe need some financial help, you know, and helping them to find the ways to find money so that they complete. Like, you know, a big part of our school is a, you know, retention, persistence and completion. Like, our graduation rate could be higher, and that takes us being intentional about how we reach our students and make sure that they have what they need, but that they're also heard and seen. And when things, when they do feel, you know, grieved, or do they do feel like something has happened to them, they have a place they can share it. Yeah,

Dr. Sammie Scales 23:10
absolutely. And I always encourage students also to make sure that they get involved. The more connections you have, the more likely you are to complete college, you know, getting involved with the local churches. I mentioned earlier that there was tons of black church San Diego that gave me scholarships, yeah, because I was a part of a church there, and I would travel around, you know, with whether we were singing at other churches or whatever. I made those connections. There are things here that students can do on this campus, of course, you know, in the community, get it, get connected with the black churches. But there's like the 100 The Collegiate, collegiate black 100 here. There are fraternities here, there's sorority here, I better mention Alpha half of fraternity Incorporated. So get involved, you know, because there's scholarship money there, even we have students that, you know, they can enroll become members of the NAACP, yes, and they can get scholarships as well. Because I have a close relationship with the president of the NAACP here, and he reached out to me to say, Hey, this is the scholarship money that I have available. If you have students that's enrolled at in the NAACP, please let me know, because we want to give them scholarships. And this only thing they have to do is be a member of the of the NAACP. I think it's like $35 and then you get a $5,000 scholarship. So just get connected, you know, with with the with the campus and with the different organizations here. So what advice mode would you give to future black graduating, future black graduates navigating the academic journey here at UNLV number

Monesia Hobbs 24:32
one, I would probably say, take your time as much as you want to get out of here. There is no set time limit to when you do so. So rushing through a degree just to be done without much purpose is not going to be very useful to you. You're going to find yourself coming back later and doing something else. And then the other part is, you know, explore your passions while you're here. Like, I talk to my students a lot. I'm like, What? What would you. Be doing if you were never paid for it, because this generation can get paid for anything at this point. So if they identify what they really love and then seek out who's getting paid for that thing, then they're gonna find themselves not having a midlife crisis. You're 40 years old,

Dr. Sammie Scales 25:14
absolutely and you know, I think that's an important point that you make, because this is your second time saying that, find what you like doing. What would you do, even if you wouldn't get paid for it? What would you do? What would you do? And do that thing? And I think I answered that question for myself, like when I was in my 20s, I was working at in California, there's a store, a grocery store, called Ralph's grocery store. I was a front end manager at Ralph's for eight years. The money was really good, but it wasn't what I was passionate about, and I really didn't care. I was making really good money, don't get me wrong, but I just wasn't happy. So I decided to go back to school. I went to community college, and I was like, What do I am I passionate about? And what would I do for the rest of my life if I could? And clearly the obvious answer for me was teaching. I love teaching. So that's what I ended up doing. And every day that I went to work as a professor, or even when I worked for Seneca unified for those 10 years, it wasn't like going to work me. It was just going to have fun, getting to make a positive impact on young people lives, and they'll learn from me, and later on, you know, I can hear them regurgitating some of the stuff that I sat there and lectured about. So it was great. It was a really, really good experience for me. So I think students should definitely do that. Find what you're passionate about. Yeah, I'm really,

Monesia Hobbs 26:25
really passionate about that, because I see a lot of students who are doing what they think is going to give them a successful life. Yeah, and they're, they haven't really grasped the real definition of success. And, you know, happiness is also a part of success. So I push that a lot.

Dr. Sammie Scales 26:39
Yeah. So what's some important takeaways that you would like for us to know about African heritage recognition that's ready to happen next month,

Monesia Hobbs 26:47
that we want to make sure that the students know that one that is happening, and that's, you know, any for any culture, honestly, you know, I'm here representing African heritage, but for all of the cultures that this event is happening to celebrate these students, two that, you know, we are here. So if you come to that event, connect with us there, you know, say hello. We want to congratulate you. It's not just us on, you know, bringing you up on stage, but take some time to network, network with people in the room. Make sure that though you get some people's contact information, because that be the people that you're going to know for the rest of

Dr. Sammie Scales 27:20
your life. Absolutely, absolutely so. Mo, last question, yes, if money was not a problem, wasn't an issue at all, what would you like to see for the African heritage recognition? Ooh,

Monesia Hobbs 27:32
if money was not an issue at all, I would probably give everyone one, give everybody plaques so kind of some, some sort of token of appreciation, or take home that they can, you know, place on their mantle, that can show be a reminder that we, we support them, and that they can always look back and come back to us. We do do that for our awards, but being able to recognize all of the students in that way, in a special way, I would probably do that, and I would probably have some sort of jazz concert during the event. Okay,

Dr. Sammie Scales 28:03
so you said you that your co chair. Could you mention who else is on the committee with you? Yeah,

Monesia Hobbs 28:08
so Rashawn Williams is my second co chair. There's also, of course, you. Dr Sammy, Imani Patterson, Lupita negretti, Jr, McMichaels, Dr Langston, Esther Langston, MS, Linda marks, Gerard Medlock and MS, Joanne. Ms, Joanne Stevens and our student chair. Zion bird,

Dr. Sammie Scales 28:29
excellent, excellent. Thank you so much. Monisha Hobbs, thank you so much for being our guest. Anytime you want to come back. You have no open door policy here, you're welcome to come back anytime you want to Nice. Thank you so very much. Thank you, and that's a wrap

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